'Burning Bush' comment draws prison term

[GNEP]

All that is different across the globe is varying degrees of a lack of freedom of speech.

[Rags]

Originally posted by thop
that's not freedom of speech then. i don't see where it's different compared to other countries in the world.

In the US we can openly criticize our goverment, publish books that say the same, mock our government, undermine our government, etc. We just cannot call for doing them bodily harm, or others bodily harm for that matter. It's the old "it's fine as long as it doesn't HURT someone else" test.

Rags

[GNEP]

Here in the UK, the state actually pays a bunch of people to do that. It's called the Opposition. Shame they're so crap at it

[Schorsch]

Originally posted by thop
I agree with what you say KvH, and Schorsch (you sure you're from FFM? ).

thop, when I woke up this morning I was in Frankfurt, and I hope my flat is still there when I come back from work Why do you ask?

[thop]

i don't see in which free country in the world you cannot do that rags. schorsch sounds like you live more in the south

[James_D]

Originally posted by GNEP
That's just where it gets interesting Rags: where do you draw the line? IMHO the only real freedom of speach allows anybody to say anything . It would be up to everyone else to decide whether to listen or not. And I mean the anything without exception - ie you are still allowed to say "i think that you should go and shoot the president". Only when someone actually tries to shoot the president can you make arrests. Otherwise it's just not *true* freedom of speech, which I think is still only a theoretical concept - it doesn't (yet?) exist anywhere in the world.
Gnep

Well when it comes to freedom of speech I think Norway is probably one of the most liberal on that point, in a talkshow a couple of weeks ago, one of the showhosts called the primeminister a couple of nasty things, but nothing happened, except for a heated discussion in the newspapers. The primeminister calling the host a coward. But we also have a law agaist using nazisymbols, but you are allowed to utter your opinion, but there is a case in the supreme court now, about the right to utter "Sieg Heil" in public. There is also an ancient law, that prohibits to speak against your king. But as all should know it hasn't been used since 1950's.

But of course you can be arrested if you threaten people, or threaten to blow up things.. (as it should be..) But a threat is different from uttering an opinion.

Amd also that article about the imprisoned americans, strange though that the american government hasn't extraditet the people, so that they can serve in American prisons.

James.

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by James_D
Well when it comes to freedom of speech I think Norway is probably one of the most liberal on that point,...

James.

AHHHHHHH !!!

In Norway a woman was fined and maybe even sent to jail because she decided to give her son a name which wasn't in the allowed names list
She wanted to call him "Gesher". Now in Norway you can't call your children any way you'd like. There's a list of names which you're allowed to use and that's it.

[James_D]

Originally posted by Dogbert
AHHHHHHH !!!

In Norway a woman was fined and maybe even sent to jail because she decided to give her son a name which wasn't in the allowed names list
She wanted to call him "Gesher". Now in Norway you can't call your children any way you'd like. There's a list of names which you're allowed to use and that's it.

hehehe That's the worst bullshit I've heard for a long time.
Pretty good bullshit though, of course she didn't get imprissoned for that, you can call your kid anything, exept certain Nazi names.
The reason for that, is that we have a large muslim population, that don't use norweagen names, but use muslim/traditional names from their former countries..


So ... I don't think that your Info is accurate..


James...

[thop]

Can you name your kid ****OLE in israel? thought so. that's just common sense working there.

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by thop
Can you name your kid ****OLE in israel? thought so. that's just common sense working there.

Last year (yes, just last year) a new law came that prohibits parents naming their children in any name that would (certainly) cause them suffering.

This means names like ****ole, kick-me, dumbass etc.
It also includes names like Stalin and Adolf because those would most certainly cause your kid to be beaten up @ school.
It's a quite lengthly defined law which I'm not too familiar with.
You can use strange / crazy names as long as they're not to obviously calling for abusing your child.

[James_D]

Originally posted by Dogbert
Last year (yes, just last year) a new law came that prohibits parents naming their children in any name that would (certainly) cause them suffering.

This means names like ****ole, kick-me, dumbass etc.
It also includes names like Stalin and Adolf because those would most certainly cause your kid to be beaten up @ school.
It's a quite lengthly defined law which I'm not too familiar with.
You can use strange / crazy names as long as they're not to obviously calling for abusing your child.

ehrmm... Stalin is a family name.... Josef was his first name.
And no reply to my previous comment???

James.

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by James_D
ehrmm... Stalin is a family name.... Josef was his first name.
And no reply to my previous comment???

James.

Which one ? About the names ? I guess you know the facts better than I do. This kind of things stay on the news for 1 day (top) and if it's peacefully resolved it ain't news anymore

[James_D]

I agree, but Norway is quiet liberal on free speech, or actually so is all Scandinavian countries.


James.

[GNEP]

Actually as demonstrated by this discussion I would say that in the Scandic countries speech is less restricted than the global average.

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by James_D

The reason for that, is that we have a large muslim population, that don't use norweagen names, but use muslim/traditional names from their former countries..

Is there no place free from this scourge? What's wrong with everyone? Just say, "sorry old chap, this is MY country.. there's barely enough room for us here so go back and live in your own country." It's just a peaceful (for now) means of conquest.. we are just too dumb to realize or care or value what we have until it is gone. One day, if we keep bending over, it will be.