MILLennium G800 soon

[MK]

Your wish is my command ...

Joel - I translated the most important facts. Please apologize my medium english skills:

- High-class graphic card producer Matrox wants to reenter the 3D market
- Roundhouse blow against all the competitors
- The high-class chip is said to be more powerful but significantly more expensive than the 500€ Ti-4600
graphic cards
- The trend towards luxury graphic boards continues
- Most of the gamers won`t be able to afford such a high-end variant
- Matrox`s surprise has the codename "Parhelia"
- Improved T&L engine
- Brandnew technique called "Displacement Mapping" shall bring back the leadership in performance
- "Displacement Mapping" is an improved version of Environmental Bump Mapping (some explanations follow ...)
- It`s said that there will be two Parhelia models at the beginning with 64 and 128 MB
- Later on a 256 MB version will be released - which is the actual (real) competitor for GeFoce 4 and Radeon
9000 (really ???)
- Parhelia will be ready in summer with a core frequency of 300 MHz

MK

[Joel]

Thanks, Now it makes sense.

- Later on a 256 MB version will be released - which is the actual (real) competitor for GeFoce 4 and Radeon
9000 (really ???)

Well it looks like to me that they can't get everything right either. I think Parhelia period will be a real competitor from the get go.

- The high-class chip is said to be more powerful but significantly more expensive than the 500€ Ti-4600
graphic cards

IMO I think they got the first part right but I think they only have the second part right if they are comparing the highest end model to the Ti-4600. IMO I think the expected 64MB and 128MB models will be competitive even in price.

Hopefully we will find out for sure in a couple of weeks.

Joel

[knirfie]

Well if the high end model is the competitor for the gefork-4600 and the radeon 9000 (what the hell is that?) then we'll get to see the familiar problem: too little and too late. But i hope the high end model will even be a competitor dor the next 2 generations from nVidiot and ATI.

[Goc]

I think what most of us Matrox users want from this next gen card is not necesserily to be a competitor for next 2 gens from nvidia and ati, but to perform on a tolerable level with crisp quality picture, and user firendly drivers for next 2 - 2.5 years... If it happens that it will be something extremely cool, and miles ahead of competition, and forces nvidia and ati to launch 3 or 4 gens of cards before they catch up, even better... I would gladly hand over the "King of 3D" title back to nvidia and ATI in about 6 months... I only want to be able to run my games in a tolerable resolution 2 years from now. As it was the case with my MAX...

In fact I'm secretly gloating how Matrox will kick everyones ass soon, but don't tell anyone!

[knirfie]

Well I'll just hope for my next 2 gen competitor, because if that does happen, it should sell really good, which will give matrox the finances to produce another gamers card! and then another, and another and so on.

[TdB]

what would happen if parhelia can beat everyting for the next 2 genrations???

wouldn´t this stall the 3dmarket, i mean the competition would have too price their cards so low that it can beat the parhelia in price/performance, that they won´t earn enough money, (providing that matrox gets all the cool OEM deals). only the biggest players would survive this, this would be bad.

understand me right, i do like matrox but i also like choices, of course matrox could be generous and let the others catch up, but bussiness doesn´t work that way. it is never a good thing, if one company gets too big.

this, however, would give game developers some time to catch up to the hardware, which would be good.

BTW, i don´t think the parhelia will beat everything for the next 2 generations, i will probably be satisfied with it that long, however.

[borat]

if matrox can produce a card which will blow the compition out of the water then ati and nvidia would just increase the r & d on there next gen boards so that they were as powerfull as parhelia. this would be good for the industry as development would occur faster although i think the cards would become v. expesive ie up to $700 and also we may lose a player along the way due to lack of funds(ati?)

[Wombat]

Well I'll just hope for my next 2 gen competitor, because if that does happen, it should sell really good, which will give matrox the finances to produce another gamers card! and then another, and another and so on.

Ahh yes, the nVidia cycle. No thanks, not what I want from Matrox. I would have gone right from my G400 to the G800, if the G550 hadn't come out instead.

[[GDI]Raptor]

Yes, I realy hope Matrox produces a card that blows nVidia and ATI out of the water. It takes a long time to develop a graphics chip, so I belive that nVidia, and probably ATI has the next 2 generations in development!

I remember the times when Matrox introduced the orginal Millennium! That chip realy blew all out of the water! How long time did it take before someone managed to make something better??

[Joel]

And IMO the only real advantage that Nvidia and ATI has had over Matrox is fps in games. But that's about to change.

Joel

[ZokesPro]

Originally posted by Joel
And IMO the only real advantage that Nvidia and ATI has had over Matrox is fps in games. But that's about to change.

Joel

You are wrong Joel!!! Wrong Wrong wrong!!!

I can think of several more advantages Matrox has over nVidia over ATI. One of them is all the cool people at MURC!

(most of us would rather wait for Matrox's new card that turn to the Dark Side aka nVidia)

Unfortunetely I've been turned, but not completely, I have no intention of buying another GeForce, I myself am going to wait until Matrox comes out with something new.

[Joel]

You are wrong Joel!!! Wrong Wrong wrong!!!

I can think of several more advantages Matrox has over nVidia over ATI. One of them is all the cool people at MURC!

(most of us would rather wait for Matrox's new card that turn to the Dark Side aka nVidia)

Am I missing something here or did you misread my post?

Joel

[Wombat]

Looks like somebody needs to read more carefully.

[TdB]

Originally posted by Joel
And IMO the only real advantage that Nvidia and ATI has had over Matrox is fps in games. But that's about to change.

Joel

another advantage ati/nvidia has, is a cheap price for the low end cards, this is not a technological advantage but it is still an advantage, especially when they are aiming for oem/costumers on a budget.

[Indiana]

Originally posted by Joel
And IMO the only real advantage that Nvidia and ATI has had over Matrox is fps in games. But that's about to change.

Joel

Unfortunately that's not correct.
With things like PixelShaders (I know they're not widely used, but still really stunning), Dot3 bumpmapping (and EMBM, while this is severely broken on the G550), FSAA, 128tap anisotropic filtering and such, there has actually been an improvement in the looks for 3D rendering as well for NVidia and ATI chips.

But I guess this is subject to change as well....