Saddam to sue over prison photos

[Adis]

schmosef,

Everybody can write anything (especially on the internet) and different sides and people
has they own "truth" about things so I don't wish to spend time on reading suspicious sites...
I can believe to some international organisations and video cameras.

Informations on internet - something is true, something is lie,
some important details are not written,... I don't believe too much in all that.

I lived in war three years and I know what it is really. It is not movie. Real blood, real grenades and bullets, you don't have enough food, water, there is no electricity, there is no TV, Radio, Internet, you can't play football, you can't drink beer and f.uck bitches around, you see just land and sky and hell between, you can only pray for your family and wait that day when idiots will say stop. I can recognize pain in the eyes of people recorded in Iraq, I know how they feel. Why they are dying every day, do you know reason? Also I haven't seen WMD in Iraq... what about it? Bush lied all us? Oh yes.

Maybe same thing will happen in Iran, maybe again U.S. Army will have new "training" for killing people and testing weapons, new Abu Ghraib... maybe Bush will send your brothers in new war where some of them will leave pieces of their brains in the dust. Do you copy me, IT IS NOT "MEDAL OF HONNOR" OR "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN", IT IS REAL. Bush is sending your people to graves. If you think it is all funny and good why you are sitting at home? Go there and feel that atmosphere, I'm sure you'll not like it. Also use world map and look where USA is and where Iraq/Iran is... then tell me is this all which is happening shame?

1 vote more for Bush = 1 vote more against peace in World.

[Adis]

*** Cliff Notes: Adis is a retard who believes everything he hears on his little portable Sarajevo radio. ***

This talking everything about you You are 14? or 15?


Also I'm not listening Sarajevo radio, I'm watching EuroNews, CNN,... but Radio Sarajevo is also ok, not big as BBC but they are neutral and maybe there is more true in their News then in News you are listening.

Don't forget that some things can be viewed better from the oposite side.

All you said before your "Cliff Notes" is shit, you are hostage of Bush's propaganda.

[RedRed]

Adis

You are wasting your time discussing this with Schmo and Gurm.

I have done it for years and gave up.

They have no concept of being in a War, you see - weaselly arm chair generals.
Both think that their way is right and everyone else better batten down. - both are incredabily Pro Israel - which can do no wrong.

I have just spent the last half an hour of my life reading the whole thread - and it just goes the same way ervery time IE twisted into Islam is bad, Catholicism is almost as bad, and Chrisianity in itsself has some serious issues. Judaesim is byond critisism - attempting to discuss this is being anti-semitic or anti democratic.

Gurm cant see that atrocities against palestinians (blowing up city blocks, etc (his words)) is exactly as the Nazis did in occupied France or yougoslavia against the resistances - difference was they were the loosers in the end, so faced war crimes for it.

He gets personal when he is running out of steam - you might have noticed.

[Adis]

RedRed,

Thanks for your post.

Some of them really doesn't know the truth, some of them doesn't wish to know the truth, some of them are frustrated kids and some of them are really slaves of Bush's/Sharon's propaganda. Sad but true...

[schmosef]

Guys, let's all calm down and refrain from further personal attacks. I don't have time to get back into this right now but I will later.

RedRed, I don't appreciate your words. I've never, to my recollection, attacked you or tried to label you (although I may have politely called you out for lack of logic or general hypocrisy). Please show me the same honor.

Gurm, come on man! Some of your points are fantastic but they're quickly overshadowed by your more juvenile antics. We're not in temp yet, let's try to stay out.

[Umfriend]

Maybe it would be helpful if some independent referee stepped in at htis time to just consolidate what has been said, which issues have been raised and what answers have been given or are still outstanding etc. Just a general recap of the sensible things said here. Any volunteers?

[schmosef]

I nominate Umfriend! Actually, Adis, KvH, Gurm, and RedRed all said things I'd like to address directly. I'm not sure how helpful a summary would be as the summary might miss out on points that one of us might think is important.

A lot has been said since my last substantive post. I was planing on skimming through all of it when I compose my next reply, which might not be until tomorrow. I also noticed some things from earlier posts that I'd like to touch on.

[Gurm]

Red:

I don't call it "atrocities". See, the problem here is this - there is no parallel, nor has there EVER been, to the Israeli situation.

I love to make up a parallel. Here it is:

1. There are a lot of Mexicans living in Texas. What if they decided that they wanted Texas back? We took it from them in a war. Let's say that they start (legally) importing boatload after boatload of their relatives, some of them from Mexico but most from Spain, Venezuela, and other parts of the Hispanic world.

2. Upon getting a majority in certain parts of Texas, they arm themselves and start attacking civilian targets in Houston.

Now, the current "suggestion" by the UN and the liberals of the world (yourself included) is that maybe Israel should give the Palestinians what they want - after all they were "there first" right? But I guarantee you that any attacks against civilian targets in Houston would be met with overwhelming deadly force. I don't know enough about minority populations in France or Russia to give you a "closer to home" example. But the serious truth of the situation is this:

ISRAEL OWNS THE LAND.

Let me ask you a question: when's the last time the LOSER in a land war dictated terms? It has never happened. Please, feel free to correct me and provide an example where the WINNER in a land war had to give up all gained territory, and provide monetary compensation to the loser. Go on.

[Jessterw]

Seriously everyone, calm the personal attacks down; this thread is close to being temp fodder.

There are some good points being brought up, so let's not have this deteriorate any more than it already has.

[RedRed]

OK Schmo - I look forward to hearing from ye - I wasnt being to be too personal to you - If you felt so - Sorry. - Formally retract the word weasilly form my definition of Schmo -(stick it double on Gurm, though )

As neither of you have ever been lost friends and relatives to terrorists, neither of you have heard a terrorist explosion for real, neither have been stopped by occupying forces and forced to stand on your coat while your car is systematically ripped apart by soldiers - I call you both armchair generals - I have.

I don't call it "atrocities". See, the problem here is this - there is no parallel, nor has there EVER been, to the Israeli situation

- everyone who has an interest in a war allways says that about their own side. I bet that perfectly reasonable Serbians say that about the seige of Sarajevo - and yet mass graves are still being found there.

Anywho - I wasnt trying to drag Israel into this - I was mearly pointing out to Adis an area where Gurm and Schmo have strong feelings - I happen to have them too.

[Gurm]

OK Schmo - I look forward to hearing from ye - I wasnt being to be too personal to you - If you felt so - Sorry. - Formally retract the word weasilly form my definition of Schmo -(stick it double on Gurm, though )

Ouch. You keep it up with the personal attacks, there.

As neither of you have ever been lost friends and relatives to terrorists, neither of you have heard a terrorist explosion for real, neither have been stopped by occupying forces and forced to stand on your coat while your car is systematically ripped apart by soldiers - I call you both armchair generals - I have.

Wow. Who gave you the right to PRESUME such things? I've lost friends and relatives to terrorist attacks! And I'm willing to be Schmosef has, as well! Every time my parents go to Israel, I have to purposely ignore the news, put up a little wall around myself, because I figure they could be next. Don't GODDAMNED ASSUME that you've got a monopoly on suffering and that you are invested with some higher moral perspective on the issue because of it.

So now you've played your card. I'll play mine. I require an answer before any reasonable debate can continue. Does Israel have a right to exist? Yes or no. I predict that you will weasel out and refuse to answer, but until you do we will not discuss further.

[Sasq]

clink - decide if I am going to beat any of you up after I have enough caffine.