"Blu-ray Disc" vs. "HD DVD": Neither Is Winning

[Evildead666]

Its taken the telco here 5 years to get me from 512kbps to 2.5Mbps.
It will be easy another 5 until i get the next bump up.

And i'm 35km (as birds fly) from the centre of Paris.

Cable TV is dead, ADSL is the next big thing, with FiOS in inner-city areas.

Not enough people have fast enouhg internet access.
But, you are right in one point, the companies are looking into online distribution, thats for sure. They're looking at how to secure their data, and compress it to f*ck so that it will be fine to watch, but just. The TV's and receivers will be working overtime decompressing and deblocking etc...and DRM.

The only online content distribution system I am happy with atm, is Steam.
No more scratched DVD's, and if i change PC, I just have top re-download all the files. Takes time, but once its done, its done.

I would like this for my DVD collection. Or future HD-DVD collection.
I buy, and it is stored on my HDD. I can re-DL whenever i change PC, because the purchase is locked to my account, and not my PC. I'd have a HUGE online library.

But that probably won't happen soon. maybe. lol

[Jerry Jones]

At least, without fibre optics.

But fiber optics are, in fact, key to widespread IPTV adoption and blazing fast download speeds; so you seem to be ignoring reality and the two IPTV services already being rolled out... FiOS (Verizon) and U-verse (AT&T):

1. FiOS:

http://www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv?LOBCode=C&PromoTCode=REN01&PromoSrcCode=B&POEId=TL1MS

2. U-verse:

https://uverse1.att.com/un/launchAMSS.do

More such services are inevitable.

But in the major metro areas, it's already a reality.

Even Idaho -- my rural state -- is on the list to get FiOS as the service expands across the country.

Traditional forms of broadband such as cable, for example, are in big trouble as the IPTV expansion continues to explode.

Another player worth watching in the days ahead is Clearwire, which offers broadband via WiMAX (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access).

I suspect the Clearwire technology is capable of faster speeds than currently being offered.

There was a setback for Clearwire recently with their Sprint partnership falling apart, but I think there might be more to come that we don't yet know about.

But I stand by my original assertions.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Mehen]

I should start listing every individual store and retailer that offers HD DVD and Blu Ray.

[Tjalfe]

Only if you repeat said post on a regular interval

[Hulk]

And you're wrong.

And I'm right.

I said the following:

"Mass acceptance of high definition is going to take much longer. I'd say 2012 at the earliest and high definition DVDs may never gain widespread adoption."

Link: http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php...highlight=2010

1. High definition DVDs are as dead as DISCo.

2. I still believe it's going to take until 2012 for the entire world to have the kind of broadband access to make high definition video accepted by the masses, but I think high definition downloads are already upon us in the industrialized nations.

I stand by my original assertions.




Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

When HD gains "mass acceptance" by 2012, which it of course will, you will be WRONG on one count.

And when optical HD discs gain widespread acceptance you will be WRONG on two more.

ONE since you said it wouldn't happen.

And TWO because you've been arguing against it throughout this entire thread.

[Jerry Jones]

ONE since you said it wouldn't happen. And TWO because you've been arguing against it throughout this entire thread.

You comments make no sense, Mark.

In fact, I predicted...

1. widespread adoption of HD would happen worldwide in 2012.
2. I said high definition optical DVD discs would never gain widespread adoption.

I stand by my assertions.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Mehen]

The only reason I do not yet own one or both (HDdvd/Blu) is the simple fact that I DO NOT YET OWN A HD TV. How can you expect any HD content to take off when people do not have a way of viewing it? HD TV prices are plummetting though, and as more people actually buy them, more people will buy an HD player.

Again, the limiting factor in the switch to HDdvd/Blu is NOT the media/storage - its the cost of and upgrade to an HD TV. It has nothing to do with all the stuff JJ has been saying. HD/Blu players are getting cheaper and cheaper ($100 for an HD @ WalMart sale), and more and more movies are becoming available.

1. - Majority or near majority of DVD sales will be HD discs by late '09.
2. - The continued decrease in HD TV prices during '08 to '10 and thus the increase in HD discs being sold will produce one of 2 effects:
a) either HD-DVD or BluRay emerging as a clear winner.
b) dual format players become available from all manufacturers making the format war a non-issue.

[Jerry Jones]

2012 at the LATEST imo (for HD/Blu). Expect HUGE gains in marketshare in 08, even bigger in 09, and at least parody or majority of sales in '10.

Won't happen; high definition downloads will eclipse high definition optical disc formats, which are -- of course -- as dead as DISCo.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Mehen]

But WHY?????? An optical disc is superior to a download in almost every way possible!

-no computer required
-no broadband required
-higher definition
-higher sound quality
-no DRM! you can share**, replay, etc etc at will!
-proven technology, and easy to use
-readily available at any store that sells videos
-people are resistant to change and very few people are truly tech-savvy, nothing is easier than just popping in a disc and hitting play.
-again, BANDWIDTH BANDWIDTH BANDWIDTH. How will downloads become widely accepted in countries with poor bandwidth (or very $$ highspeed).

**how do you loan a friend a downloaded or streamed movie - in a LEGAL way?-

[Brian Ellis]

http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?t=63562

[Brian Ellis]

But WHY?????? An optical disc is superior to a download in almost every way possible!

-no computer required
-no broadband required
-higher definition
-higher sound quality
-no DRM! you can share**, replay, etc etc at will!
-proven technology, and easy to use
-readily available at any store that sells videos
-people are resistant to change and very few people are truly tech-savvy, nothing is easier than just popping in a disc and hitting play.
-again, BANDWIDTH BANDWIDTH BANDWIDTH. How will downloads become widely accepted in countries with poor bandwidth (or very $$ highspeed).

**how do you loan a friend a downloaded or streamed movie - in a LEGAL way?-

... minimal artefacts, glitches, etc.

[Jerry Jones]

Vudu adds high definition downloads:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6501304.html

Vudu's standard-def content is already optimized for HDTVs, but the high-def content will give customers six times higher resolution than standard-def-encoded films, the company said.

Vudu would join Xbox Live Marketplace as the only other online location for high-definition downloads. Xbox Live has 600 hours of high-def content from major studios and TV networks, a company representative said.

Vudu uses a peer-to-peer service. Movies are downloaded from a number of fellow P2P users that already have the file on their Vudu box. Files can be sent faster than those downloaded from one central server.

http://www.vudu.com/

It's happening very, very quickly.

We'll be seeing an avalanche of downloadable HD content within the next six (6) months.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Hulk]

You comments make no sense, Mark.

In fact, I predicted...

1. widespread adoption of HD would happen worldwide in 2012.
2. I said high definition optical DVD discs would never gain widespread adoption.

I stand by my assertions.



Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

You will be proved wrong Jerry.

HD will become widespread before 2012. And remember you said "at the earliest." Let's not conveniently forget that.

And HD optical will have it day in the sun. You'll see.

BTW, how that Mac system working out for you? You said you were buying after the new OS came out a few weeks ago.

[Hulk]

... minimal artefacts, glitches, etc.

You can take some discs with you on vacation...

[Jerry Jones]

You can take some discs with you on vacation...

You can take a portable media player with you, too.

Ever hear of an iPod by a little outfit called APPLE?

Some models have component output capability.

And then there are other companies and other models with similar capability.

When are you going to admit that optical discs are as dead as DISCo, Mark?



Reviews of Vudu: http://www.vudu.com/product_reviews.html

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net