Parhelia needs .13 micron

[Alfie]

I don't know if this is off base,but from a practical viewpoint,Matrox putting the 128 out first makes sense.
As we've seen 2 other Parhelias are meant to be released,the 256 and the 64.
The 64meg is for folks like me who wants the best he can afford,stiil using a 17"monitor(thank's Greebe ).
As we know a card seems to improve with maturity of drivers,could it be the 128meg, is Matrox putting it's best foot forward?
The 256meg would limit users to a few and the 64 meg may not have optimum performance,but could drastically improve with better drivers,hence the release of the 128meg,as the drivers improve for it,the drivers for the 64 meg could be released with a bit of maturity.
As far as the .13 micron,I'm sure it's something that may appear down the road,but as stated Matrox wants the product out now,so that line of reasoning makes sense.
I'm currently using a Kyro II,as I was impressed by it's design and innovative approach,also refused to buy a Nvidia,so it posed a nice option.
It runs games faster than my G400 and that's why I changed.
What's sorely missed is the clarity in 2d applications that Matrox has.
As far as new cards from Nvidia,so what else is new?
I've seen more problems with their cards than any other,drivers,incompatability,no initial post,scared me off!
What good is 300fps if you can't get it to post!
Bragging rights?
This is one Murcer waiting with baited breath for the end results.(as I'm sure most others are,too!)

[KvHagedorn]

Isn't technology an amazing thing? All this over a half-generation difference in process technology.. .02 microns! Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what process Parhelia uses. If it performs as well as we are hearing, that's fine with me. It's a relief to have an alternative to the TI4600 now, and those bleeding edge gamers who also want perfect image quality have something that will live up to their standards. I can't wait to get the card, and thanks to Matrox doing it on the .15 process, I won't have to!

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by Alfie

This is one Murcer waiting with baited breath for the end results.

[Alfie]

Kvh,
Are you "bateing" me?
That looks like an Nvidia user!
I was looking at the benchmarks for the Parhelia and fear that the masses may not respond well.
It's going to be interesting to see what develops.
Too many times,great hardware is overlooked because the benchmarks aren't favorable.
We'll see!

[[Ch]amsalot]

Hehe, wow you guys are a prolific bunch. There have been too many posts in between my last one to respond in detail, but let me just say thanks to all those who welcomed me to the forums, even to those who figured I'd be seasoned with 11 secret herbs and spices by now :P

Now, Rags said "Sorry, but there isn't a faster card out than Parhelia when dealing with high detail situations." While I'll agree that Parhelia will have the upper hand for games that employ many textures, by the time we see these games the competition will have their next-gen products, which I almost can guarantee you will be priced lower than Parhelia and which will have equally impressive visual quality tricks. Parhelia is a bleeding edge card, with bleeding edge pricing. As such, it will diminish in value rapidly.

BTW, I never criticized Matrox for releasing the card on .15 micron, and to anyone who thinks I did please re-read my post. Rather, I'm encouraging Matrox to move the Parhelia to a .13 micron process because I believe, in the long run, you'll get a faster and more cost-effective gpu (please, let's not start the whole thing over again... time will tell).

-[Ch]ams

[Greebe]

Chams, would you like to explain why nV killed off the NV25 and is trying to put it's foot forward with the NV30? I can very simply... fear.

You nor anyone even within the nV camp can proclaim that the NV30 will have better 3D rendering quality. To bash Matrox for releasing Parhelia on 150nm process is point blank dumb. There is no 130nm process at this time, so what did you want them todo, wait?! Get real. BTW UMC who is their fab is bypassing 130 and going for 90nm can you say leapfrog?!

[Dr Mordrid]

eYup..... That .09 fab opens in Q2 2003, which not too much after most card makers will be just getting their turn at the TSMC .13 fabs.

Wonder if Matrox chose UMC in order to get to the front of the .09 line?

That would just be too entertaining

Dr. Mordrid

[ALBPM]

ROTFLMAO!!!! Too much Garlic and not enough Habanero

There's nothing like a good MURC Barbeque

What intersting times we live in.

Paul

[[Ch]amsalot]

Originally posted by Greebe:

Chams, would you like to explain why nV killed off the NV25 and is trying to put it's foot forward with the NV30?

NV25 = GeForce4 Ti. I fail to see how that's been killed off. In fact, I'm running one now. NVIDIA is coming out with the NV30 because, unlike Matrox, NVIDIA is capable of producing a new product every year.

You nor anyone even within the nV camp can proclaim that the NV30 will have better 3D rendering quality.

That depends upon what you consider quality. If you consider fully DX-9 compliant pixel shaders, then hell yeah, NV30 will have better rendering quality. If you consider 16xFAA better quality, then we'll have to wait and see if NVIDIA can improve their AA because I will certainly grant you that Parhelia has better AA than any current NVIDIA offering.

To bash Matrox for releasing Parhelia on 150nm process is point blank dumb.

Not as dumb as someone who has misread my repeated posts. I've never bashed Matrox for releasing Parhelia on the .15 micron process. Considering your post came immediately after my statement, "I never criticized Matrox for releasing the card on .15 micron, and to anyone who thinks I did please re-read my post," you must truly be in the top percentile of idiots.

Get real. BTW UMC who is their fab is bypassing 130 and going for 90nm can you say leapfrog?!

From what the experts at this forum are saying about the .13 micron process and all the problems companies are having with it, you're optimism is completely unwarranted.

-[Ch]amsalot

[Greebe]

Just throwing in your face the same BS. Appears you can dish it but not take it.

And no I did not mis interperate what you said, only pointing out what you were implying.

[[Ch]amsalot]

Greebe,

I see. And whereas others and I have had interesting discussions re: my so-called "b.s.", you posted in this thread because you had nothing better to do. And here I was thinking you were merely an imbecile.

Might I suggest that in the future, you engage in onanism. Regardless of your success in that endeavor, at least you will not disturb others.

And they let you moderate this place??? Sheesh!

-[Ch]amsalot

[[Ch]amsalot]

Greebe,

BTW, I trust I won't be banned for speaking frankly. That would mean that the moderators could dish it out but couldn't take it.

-[Ch]amsalot

[GT98]

Originally posted by [Ch]amsalot
Greebe,

BTW, I trust I won't be banned for speaking frankly. That would mean that the moderators could dish it out but couldn't take it.

-[Ch]amsalot

Nah we are pretty toilerant around here...so far from your postings you dont seem like the typical troll/moron that we sometimes get around here. Most of the time we flame people so bad that they dont come back

[[Ch]amsalot]

GT,

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

If anyone does have a link (or quote) to any specific post of mine that they deem trolling, let me know.

I'm quite serious. From the moment I've started posting here I came with a respect for the members of this forum. Be advised that I've lurked here for a few weeks prior to registering, gaining information about Parhelia in the interim.

I think the fact that I've stayed around, participated in several threads, and have responded to posts calling me out (e.g., see my discussion with Wombat above) rules me out as a troll.

As for being a moron, again, I invite anyone to find a post that contains material which is indefensible.

On a final thought, Greebe intentionally posted false information for the purpose of eliciting a response from me. Do you consider that trolling?

-[Ch]amsalot

[dZeus]

what false information might I ask?