Ok Murcers GIVE UP!

[nihilist]

Oh Mr.Moderator, whatever you'd like people to think. I happen to know for a fact that it's impossible for you to be testing this particular card at this point, since there's no silicon yet. So, live in your little dream, just don't take all these people with you.

And as a matter a fact, I do have a clue. I know who the beta testers are, and I know who visits this forum from Mtx.

Anyways, I'm tired of this game. I was hoping that a few people here would actually have the brains to understand what is going on, but I guess not. Maybe I'll visit you all again once the 'G800' as you call it is released, and we'll see who's feeling smug.

And a special thanks to you moderators, who have proven to me beyond a doubt that fan really is just a derivative of fanatic. You people are so, so sad.

On a positive note, you should be looking forward to what comes post-'G800'. I think it'll be a lot more along the lines of what you're hoping for.

[dZeus]

Since when did the beta-boys claim that they were running beta boards????

They've not even said what they know! They only said that they know some stuff, and that we should have patience!

[rylan]

Look, what it all comes down to is -SPECULATION- as usual. Those under the NDA may know something, but they can't tell us. And big M themselves is so tight lipped you won't hear a word until the product is shipping.

So, just stop the damned arguements about 'oh, the Gxxx is going to be this', or 'the Gxxx isn't going to be good enough' already. I'm honestly not expecting any new 'next-gen' gaming type card out of Matrox any time soon (by that I mean within 6 months), as I'm not getting my hopes up, since it just seems to be leading to a potential dissapointment as the weeks go by with no news.

So get over it, keep overclocking your MAXs (as I am), and save your money to get an Athlon processor or more memory, as that'll get you more of a performance jump than a new video card.

[Jorden]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Nihilist wrote earlier:
And a special thanks to you moderators, who have proven to me beyond a doubt...[snip]</font>

<--- Me moderator. You mean me too? Wonder what you'll say when the Administrator comes visiting here and answers

I got a question for the nihilstic minder: Why nVidia full out and Matrox Mtx? Is this a new way of showing off? "I've got an Mtx G400, what do you have? Oh, an nVidia GeForce 3 256Mb DDR Bumper Sticker? cool!"

If you don't want to type too much, go sit in a quiet corner and be quiet. Since you "know" what the G800 or whatever it will be called ("Rising Eagle" is my favorite!!) will be like, and since you know who the BBz and the Matrox regularz are, we don't need more info from you.

Plain and simple, huh?

Ant won't be going to Amsterdam until a little later today or tomorrow, so there might be time enough for a big Doc Martin's boot
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Now... let the show go on

Jord.


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[Himself]

It does get a bit preachy in here at times, but nothing too lemonade-esque.

I agree about upgrading the rest of your computer, get the faster cpu, the extra bit of ram, the faster hard drive. Of course, when you've done all that, you are back to looking at your video card.

You know, come to think of it, while it would be cool for the big M to come out of the gate with a super whiz bang chip to beat the competition, how realistic is that? Snifs of info from Anand and other places over the last year warn about so so performance of M's upcoming, they wouldn't if it were all that. They have yet to produce a TCL card, let alone a programmable one fully supporting DX8 at current speed levels. Meanwhile NVIDIA has been beta testing theirs on the public for over a year now. Not only do M have to come up with a second generation TCL card before they even had a first gen one out, they have to get a perfect one out, because it's at the point where it's their last kick at the bucket. If they pull an S3, it's off to the Sonic Blue yonder for them too.


EDIT: I think I should upgrade my keyboard.


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[Electric Amish]

These Beta Boyz don't test silicon. They test drivers and utilities.

The reason they have information about upcoming cards is their daily communication with the people at Matrox.

amish

[HollyBerri]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by nihilist:
Man...I'm so tired of these 'informed' moderators telling me and everyone else that I don't know what I'm talking about, when it is in fact they who are clueless. Of course I know what I'm talking about...I have had very close dealings with the development of the G800.</font>

Well, how nice for you. Been going thru your dad's briefcase at night or something??

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by nihilist:
All I'll say, is that what you're currently calling the G800, in the form that you're talking about it, isn't at all what you think it will be. That's not to say that Mtx doesn't have some cool shit coming down the pipe...it's just to say that you're all holding your breath for a fool's dream</font>

Now this just makes no sense. What we're "currently calling the G800," is simply Matrox's next consumer video card. If you mean to imply that Matrox will not be making any further consumer video cards, that's one thing. But to call it "a fool's dream" to expect a new card from a company from whom we have bought a series of consumer video cards ranging from the original Millenium to the G450 is just stupid. Further, to say that Matrox "has some cool stuff coming down the pike" in the same sentence as telling us that we aren't going to get anything useful to us as users is nonsensical and irritating.

So buzz off, if you have no useful contribution to make. Amazingly, this rather senseless discussion was more interesting before you entered it.

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[Brian R.]

Everyone here is so full of crap. I actually have a G800 in my computer right now and it is great. I know more about the G800 than Matrox does, I have tested it throughout it's developement cycle and actually built the first one in my lab at Mtx (I couldn't resist). No one knows anything except me. Now pipe down. I'm playing UT at 150 fps at 1600x1200x64.

(God I wish I could afford a GTS Ultra)

[HollyBerri]

Mum...I'm going over to Brian's house to play....!!!

I'll be home for dinner, promise (fingers crossed behind back)!!!

[Himself]

For some reason, I believe Brian R more than the bb's.

[Jorden]

I just hope he knows how to deal with cats. Not only Holly just went out, I can't find the cat anywhere either

[Ant]

Well why some poeple take such offence to people speciualting is beyong me. Forums are there (here) for discussion. Anyone posting any specs on future Matrox products here including myself doesn't really know anything and the rest of us should know that. Those that do know cannot and will not post any specs and there are plenty of those poeple around these forums, official beta testers Matrox employess etc. Matrox being Matrox and being so tipped lipped lend themselves more so to speculation than other companies that blab and leak what they are supposedly doing to try and intimidate the opposition and corner the market and so we have to accept that. There is no harm in people speculating on what little has leaked out from Matrox or what they hope will come from Matrox. People talk about the G800 and Fusion has real products but that is Matrox's fault for allowing those product names to be released in their drivers. So what the hell if someone speculates that a Matrox Fusion may be a dual chip board, it may be right it may be a million miles from the truth, what the bloody hell does it matter? If the so called "informed" monitoring these forums want to snear and mock because of that then it shows what sad little lives they lead. Whether those products will see the light of day under those names or see the light of day at all is another question.

Anyway to get back to other issues I personally tend to look at the market for a product that fits my requirements and go for the best combination of features/price. I do tend to favour a little manufacturer loyality if I've previously found a product I like, but I certainly don't buy product X purely and simply because it is from manufacturer X and I'm sure the majority of people around here are the same.

As far as gaming goes the G400 and G450s are showing ther age in certain aspects of 3D gaming. The latest 3D shooter is not the be all and end all of gaming. Not everyone sees gaming as a 3D shooter so not everyone will see the G4x0's as being outdated. Not all 3D gamers want or are able to run the latest 3D shooter at 1600x1200 in 32-bit colour at 60+ fps.

Personally I use Matrox cards in all of my systems for a combination of reasons. At the present I don't do any gaming as I don't have the time with work, family and the site. I am now starting to put together a gaming system for myself, and I do like 3D shooters a lot as well as many other gaming genres so I may find the G400 MAX that I will be using not quite up to scratch. At that point I may look around for a card specifically for games and shock horror I may go for a non Matrox card if I feel something else best fits my requirements. I'd personally like to have a Matrox card for that as I personally feel they produce high quality, full featured hardware although their drivers can leave a little to be desired at times but hopefully those issues are mostly in the past.

Anyway lets all remember we have a nice little community here, we are not a bunch of Matrox fanatics God forbid, and we can all get along whatever our views and discuss things like adults. And if you don't agree with that you'll get my boot up your arse and I'll ban you (that was a joke for the sense of humour impaired that may be looking in).



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[DuRaNgO]

Gee, I wonder how many of these nvIdiOts are the cowards that jumped ship on Matrox to work for a "chip maker" and now feel the need to belong

[Himself]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Anyway to get back to other issues I personally tend to look at the market for a product that fits my requirements and go for the best combination of features/price. I do tend to favour a little manufacturer loyality if I've previously found a product I like, but I certainly don't buy product X purely and simply because it is from manufacturer X and I'm sure the majority of people around here are the same.</font>

It's all a matter of degree, I'm sure people would like to think they are perfectly impartial, or it's only a tiny amount of bias, but the truth is somewhere in between that and a brick wall.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2"> As far as gaming goes the G400 and G450s are showing ther age in certain aspects of 3D gaming. The latest 3D shooter is not the be all and end all of gaming. Not everyone sees gaming as a 3D shooter so not everyone will see the G4x0's as being outdated. Not all 3D gamers want or are able to run the latest 3D shooter at 1600x1200 in 32-bit colour at 60+ fps. </font>

I agree to some extent, there are games that are not FPS that do like lots of fillrate. It's not like any and all upgrades for the sake of fillrate would be a waste of money because only FPS games need it. At some point people will start to play games from 2000 and 2001.

What exactly can Matrox provide in their next product that is not related to speed that will make people buy it? What 3D features could they possibly add to a G400 that wouldn't require more speed to actually use? Finally, can't you think of any current features on the G400 that could use more speed? *cough* EMBM *cough* It's ALL about speed first, then features, you can't have 3D features without speed to back them up or you are really emulating NVIDIA's spec sheet filler strategy. If you upgrade for the sake of games, the card does have to be faster than what you have, even if it's not the faster rate of play that interests you much the features you want to enable while going at the same gaming speed, if not you are wasting your money.

My $.02

[Jorden]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2"> Whether those products will see the light of day under those names or see the light of day at all is another question.</font>

Amen Ant !!

<font size=1>Although I would use the spellchecker next time. You didn't install it for us **shock** foreigners, did you?</font>

Jord.