Today is a sad day...

[paulcs]

The Civil war was probably the precursor to modern wars, and many new techniques and equipment were used, while older practices had to be dropped. I believe all American students of history, North and South, must agree with this. The Number One *military* lesson of the American Civil War is as follows:

NO CAVALRY CHARGES INTO MACHINE GUN BANKS!!

Now, this just seems to be common sense. But at the very beginning of World War One, possibly the strangest war in history, the French army opted to ignore this hard learned lesson of the American Civil war, figuring "elan" would win the day. They were wrong. Le Grande Armee eventually dropped the practice along with the famous "pantaloons rouge" (red pants), which made for a very visable target.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[KvHagedorn]

I always wondered at the idiocy of the art of war from, say the invention of relatively accurate firearms on. Did no one notice that this had happened? In the Revolutionary War (which also was a war of secession ) we see the image of masses of soldiers in red coats calmly marching forward as many among them get torn to shreds by the rifle fire of the Americans. The same in The War Between the States, only more accurate firearms. World War One (which I think was the dumbest and most pointless thing that has ever happened in the history of Western Civilization) saw the end of this foolishness.. not because the generals had any concern for a whole generation of their healthiest young men being massacred by modern firepower, but because their charges were unsuccessful. Why did these mass formations (which had their origin in Roman times) continue? They were meant for armies fighting with swords, not guns.

Then there's the idiocy of having to pass a physical to prove that you are young and healthy before sending you off to inevitable slaughter. What sense is there in killing the best in one's gene pool? The effects of this upon Britain and Germany are still felt to this day. (Napoleon had already wasted the best in France with his campaigns.. WWI just made this worse.)

And what was the thing with Britain's airplane markings? What IDIOTS paint targets all over their planes and then send them out to dogfight with the Red Baron?? (Shakes head)

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Kind Regards,

KvH

[Joel]

Well I guess we all, including myself, have gotten away from the original intent of this post. I was just stating what a sad day it was, for me as a Southner, to see the symbols of my heritage destoryed by a small racist group like the NAACP, just because they want to see it as something other than it's true meaning. It is unfortunate that there has been an abuse of this symbol, but just as the majority of African-Americans would like for us, whites, not to view them in whole by the bad few, I'm only asking the same thing. Don't destory my heritage because of how you feel about a flag that a small few have abused.

Joel

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[Jorden]

Remember our little conversation on ICQ, Joel? Me saying that even through all flags shown here, I still didn't know what it looked like?

Here's why. I found this flag.


And I didn't know anymore... Is this a special one for Southern Carolina?

Jord.

[Joel]

Check out the following website.

www.palmetto.org/index.htm

Joel

[cjolley]

Joel,
You can't blame it all on the NAACP, I'm as white as they get and I'm glad they took it down in my state.
You posted some flags that they could replace the battle flag with that I would feel fine about. The original flag for instance. Though I suspect that is not acceptable because it is not "in your face" enough.
chuck

[Joel]

Haven't you heard? They've already started campaigns to get rid of them too. If we are going to be left with a choice then it should be the offical 3rd National Flag of the Confederency.

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I have been doing alot of research on the web in the past few days about the Confederate Flag. And it is amazing the things you can learn that the NAACP wouldn't want you to know about. Like while the Confederation was adoting a policy that would have done away with slavery in the south the Union Government was adopting a policy that would have protected slavery in all but the southern secessions states. Not only that but they were also trying to make it an unrepealable amendment to the constitution.

Joel

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[KvHagedorn]

I said something earlier about Time magazine referring to the cross as a "Klan Symbol"

I suppose the NAACP, by the same logic of guilt by association that they have used with the confederate battle flag, would say that Christianity is EVIL and RACIST because the Klan use the cross very prominently in their ceremonies. Yeah, go ahead you peabrained oppressive powermad kneejerk liberals, just TRY and tell me this!

Tell me, what makes this campaign of lies any different from the propaganda of TASS or Herr Goebbels? The smugness with which liberals assert their "rightness" without any need for discussion makes me absolutely sick. I guess the sins of the Clintons are OK, since, after all, he's a member of the Democratic Party, the unassailable bastion of all that is good... WHAT??? you question that?? you must be an evil inbred peabrained racist southerner who screws his own relatives!!! you need to be silenced! NAACP, yell this loudly enough and with incensed emotion to prove we are right!

Which brings up one thing more, it is the tactic of the NAACP to be vocally offended at any and every thing they want to see destroyed. They use our own good manners against us, since we don't really want to offend people and they know this. I personally find this very offensive, that I am forced to give up my good manners to defend myself and my culture, but some people just don't listen unless you scream in their face more loudly than they scream in yours. Pathetic.

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[cjolley]

KvH,
Last time I checked there were not many Christian churches using burning crosses as a symbol.
If you veer off into the ozone, you will lose track of your real point.
chuck

PS We may be on opposite sides of the right - left equation, but we do have Missle Command memories in common



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[Brian R.]

I hope this thread gets closed soon. This is getting ridiculous.

Get a grip on reality guys.

If you don't like what NAACP is doing, vote against people who support them. That's what you as citizens are permitted to do lawfully. If you don't like what they do, bring them to court or shut up. You battle flag supporters sound like a bunch of crying liberals. "It isn't fair... sob sob".

Cry on a sympathetic shoulder. I tried to be objective, but this is getting repetative and sickening.

I'm out of here.

[Joel]

That has been done Brian. The voters of South Carolina voted in a Govenor that supported the flag. (even though he is wavering now under the pressures of the NAACP) They also voted to keep the flag. But the NAACP still interfers. What else can we do accept to try and yell as loud as they do but we won't be heard in this current political correctness envirnoment because we are white.

I think I heard it best once from a program on TV, about racism in high schools, when a young white girl that was being interviewed made the following statement.

"If blacks want to have a dance strickly for blacks it's called a cultural experience, but if whites tried to do the same we would be called racist and that we are discriminating."

Joel

[KvHagedorn]

What would Tocqueville say if he visited America today? He worried so much about majority tyrrany. HA! Just wait. When whites become the minority we will see that in tidal waves!

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Kind Regards,

KvH

[paulcs]

"When they have abolished slavery, the moderns still have to eradicate three much more intangible and tenacious prejudices: the prejudice of the master, the prejudice of race, and the prejudice of the white."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

I believe Mr. de Tocqueville would say, "I told you so."

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

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[paulcs]

I believe the Moderator is between a rock and a hard place with this particular thread as far are shutting it down goes. I don't pretend to speak for her. I just have a feeling.

I should probably shut up myself, although I felt responsible to take the side of the North (without indulging too much in its hypocrisy) and without pissing off too many of my friends from the South.

I'll shut up.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[KvHagedorn]

All right. Me too. I have to say I respect Holly's hands off treatment here. I think she knows that this is a legitimate discussion, however she might personally feel. I'm glad she respects the feelings of others too. I think there should be more respect of each other's ethnic groups, not less. It's only when I feel that my own has been on the raw end of a double standard that I get really upset. Why are black-only events and organizations tolerated when white-only ones are not? (both have equally legitimate arguments for existence) Why is Malcolm X lionized while Hitler is scorned? (each wanted genocide against a group he hated)

Look at how the media treats the truth and tries to manipulate us into confrontation. The tape of the Rodney King beating, unedited, seemed to give a jury ample reason to believe that the officers were justified in defending themselves, but none of us saw the unedited version. They saw a version which showed only the cops as the agressors, not King. The riots which ensued are the direct responsibility of media sensationalism, and their desire to incite unrest and hatred. Who are these people who dare to tell us how to think and feel? Look closely at who media producers and CEOs are and what their motives might be. They are the bad guys here. And no one seems to even see it. When you look at what they've done and see how slanted they have made things with what seems like purposeful cunning, and then look at how many people are exposed daily to their opinions, you must inevitably question their motives. Just think about this. Please.

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Kind Regards,

KvH



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