And another War ....

[bongo]

jesta, Subotica je u Vojvodinu..oko 50km od Majerske granice. Doslismo u Kanadu prije 30 godina a li nema veze; Srbi su uvek Srbi..i verovatno je tako sa svi nasi Jugosloveni.

My Serb sucks as you can tell Omega (nemam skim the vezbam)..but I try in own puny way LOL.

ciao for now.

bongo

(ali pravo ime mi je mihajlo)

[alessandro]

Omegared,
a larger population(turkey) don't make a better army We have more technological advanced army than Turkey.E.g.we have 50 Apache AH-64A+(the only country in EC who has them)they only have Cobra's,we have ofcourse better naval force,less F16s than turkey has , but much better pilots,we will soon will have Eurofighter 2000s e.t.c).

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[Joel]

The United States should arm both sides to the max and then sit back and watch them blow each other off the face of the Earth. Will be the end of at least one waring faction. And I agree, Europe should start taking care of their own problems and stop expecting the US to bail them out everytime you turn around.

Joel

[omegaRED]

Oh and another thing. The Army`s strenght doesnt mean much in a situation like this. This isnt an all-out frontal war, where you have 2 sides, both quite large in Manpower terms, and in the end the larger ( tactically superior, more experienced, smarter, better equipt ) side wins. In this case, there`s a classic Guerrila War going on. Now, everyone suggests that action should be swift and decisive. But what they dont say, is that they dont want to have any casuaties on our side. So, the Security force are very cautious. So far we had 4 casualties, 2 died from a land mine on a road, 1 from sniper fire, and 1 policeman in the drive-by i mentioned.

So i think that Greece`s Army wouldnt have it much easier than ours, even though it`s better equipt. The thing they could do is have better control of the Border with Albania & Macedonia. But seeing you have 900.000 illegal Albanians in there allready, it`s a bit too late for that. The one thing left to do is again better Border control, to stop Arms smuggling into Greece ( if they dont have the Arms allready ).

But again, if we stop it here, there`s a good chance it wont happen in Greece, Montenegro or South Serbia.

Just remembered, yesterday the Defence Spokesman showed a Map that was found in Tanusevci, belonging to the NLA, which show a Great Albania, which consists of Albania, Kosovo, Southern Serbia, Western Macedonia AND North-western Greece.

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[The PIT]

Slightly off track if europe started it's own army and then considered itself a superpower how long would it be before it started messing in another countries internal affairs.
To be honest I can't see there being a united europe as we have our own identies and neither the Germans French or English would want to be dominated by another "country".

[Joel]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The US should stay away from Europe, as they seem to produce much more problems than they solve.</font>

Then tell them to stop asking for our help. We are a nation of caring people and we will help when asked.

Joel


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[omegaRED]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Then tell them to stop asking for our help. We are a nation of caring people and we will help when asked.</font>

Point taken. I, for one, will never ask any help from the US ( does that apply solely to the US Government or the Americans too ?)

Yeah, nice one ... like anybody`s gonna listen to us. There are some thoughts of unified Europe ( stronger than the US ), but dont know if that`s possible. Besides, being the most powerfull Nation and telling any Country in the world what to do, and they`d have to listen to u, coz u are the strongest, has its charm i guess ... Not sure if the US wanna give that privilege up.

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[omegaRED]

Yes well, how large population are Greece & Turkey? Judging an Army`s strenght, all factors contribute to it, Manpower, Equipment & ability to use it. I would imagine that Turkey has more Manpower, including reserves, while Greece has more equipment. BTW, both Greece and Turkey are in NATO, why dont the Turks have Apaches? Naval firepower is prolly Greek, but Turkey too has lots of access to Sea, so i dont understand why they would have a lesser Fleet.

BTW, ne1 know if any country other than the US uses Comanches? Or F117s?

BTW, a Sukhoi Su-27 is much better than anything the US has to offer ( dont know the F-22 Raptors performance ), including the F-16, F-14 & F-18.

Joel, i completely agree. The US should stay away from Europe, as they seem to produce much more problems than they solve.

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[mdhome]

The US has recently voiced its concern over a European Army. I'm not sure why but I think it has to something to do with loss of power and influence. As for the EU, so far all they have shown is that militarily they are a damp squib, lacking in resolve. Irrespective of their motives, at least the US has the confidence to use its power.

[omegaRED]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mdhome:

The US has recently voiced its concern over a European Army. I'm not sure why but I think it has to something to do with loss of power and influence. As for the EU, so far all they have shown is that militarily they are a damp squib, lacking in resolve. Irrespective of their motives, at least the US has the confidence to use its power.
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Well, there you have it. On one side you have a strong and decisive Army ( US ), taking action, but sometimes without thinking through their acts or the consequences, ( and sometimes bombing just to get the attention off of domestic problems, like blow-j... oops ), or a bunch of wimps , who dont make mistakes, but then again they do nothing at all (nearly).

I dont know why either, but i too believe it has something to do with the loss of Influence and the general role of the "World Cop". Strangely enough, most Europeans think like us

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[omegaRED]

Hey! Just made my 50th post in under a month since i registered! Beer`s on me! ( Real Beer , the NATO/KFOR soldiers here get drunk after 2 bottles of "Skopsko" .)

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[Rags]

Oh great, here we go.

Let's bash Americans some more.

Some of you guys sound like Jealous siblings

Rags

[Joel]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The US has recently voiced its concern over a European Army.</font>

Yeah they have. They would like to see one so that we can bring our troops home and stop having to babysit the rest of the world. And BTW for your information the things we have been doing lately in your neck of the woods has been at the bequest of the United Nations.

Joel

[mdhome]

Rags/Joel

My beef isnt with the US, but the indecisiveness of Europe.
Unfortunatley it may seem rich coming from me, being British, because we dont seem to know which side of the fence to sit on.

regards MD

[paulcs]

Kosovo is being treated in this thread like a unilateral US action and it was not! To gratuitously blame the United States may serve a propaganda function, but it is a lie.

*NATO* acted in the face of a massive diaspora and a serious threat of genocide.

Any complex military action is going to have unintended consequences. Mobilizing the alliance to perform a police action is not an easy thing. It's very difficult to get a consensus on this sort of thing. Obviously, there was strong feelings amongst the alliance's European member states that something had to be done.

Paul
paulcs@speakeasy.net

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