Russian crises....

[Joel]

I find the idea that Russia has "constructed" this tragedy as insulting as the insinuations the Americans themselves organized the WTC crashes, to bomb Afghanistan etc.

I could not agree with you more but unfortunately there are some who do believe that and these are people who call themselves Americans. Just look at Hpar_ and Liquid Memory for example.

Joel

[ALBPM]

I find the idea that Russia has "constructed" this tragedy as insulting as the insinuations the Americans themselves organized the WTC crashes, to bomb Afghanistan etc.

I have no criticism of the way Russia handled the situation. It was fast and very effective. If this happened in the U.S. I could only imagine how many Hostages would be dead as a result of "Bullshit" negotiations due to the News Media coverage and all the Law Enforcement agencies being more concerned if they were being "PC".

I just hope that Russia will now take a stronger stance against terrorism and give the U.S. the support we need with the Spinless and worthless United Nations Council.

Paul

Gun Control is not a Political Issue....It's a Technical Issue. It's all about how consistantly you hit the target.

[Dr Mordrid]

Count me in on this sentiment too. The Russians were faced with a no-win situation and made the best of it given their capabilities.

I might have opted for BZ vs. Fentanyl, but as noted availability has a lot to do whith the choice made.

As for the Russians "constructing" this incident: BULLS**T!!

There are a few people around here that need to extract their craniums from their arses.....

Dr. Mordrid

[Jessterw]

Ok, I never said the Russians constructed the incident... seems like another case of people taking more out of a statement than what was there to begin with. I was simply stating that a number of the hostages were, reportedly, for(in support of) an independant state/country for Chechnya.

In addition I was commenting that I hoped that the Russian goverment did not use such a lethal gas/chemical agent in haste because they knew that there were people (hostages and terrorists) that were for an independant Chechnya. I highly doubt that was the case, but it's not like goverments have not done things like that in the past.

If you take a trip to www.livejournal.com there are a number of Russians that post there, and there is this Wired News article. I'm not stating that any of this is fact, nor that I believe everything that is said, however you all might want to do your own research before attacking someone.


I do apologize for my rather ignorant comment of, "this is Russia...". I've never been to Russia and honestly do not know a whole lot about the people or the country, and thus I really have no right to comment on things like that.

[cjolley]

I think it was a brave gamble.
Unfortunately, it is impossible to know whether it produced the best possible outcome or not.
Worrying about the unknowable is pretty useless.
Chuck

[Pace]

I assume someone had posted that the Russians "constructed it" and then deleted it, don't think it was aimed at you Jesterzwild. And who would we assume posted it

[cjolley]

Originally posted by Pace
I assume someone had posted that the Russians "constructed it" and then deleted it, don't think it was aimed at you
Jesterzwild. And who would we assume posted it

The Russians of course!
I'm begining to understand _Hpar.

Chuck

PS RusCoder: Take Keating, PLEASE!

[Jessterw]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Paul. If it was directed against me then I do take the blame for my last comment and the fact that I did not provide a link to any of the sources where I had read what I was commenting on.

Maybe it was just that everyone saw the post that first used the "constructed" quote (again, a term I never used) or a subsequent post that quoted that post and it set off a reaction from there. I can understand if people were offended when they thought someone said that the Russians had masterminded this whole terrible incident for whatever reason. It's just rather disconcerting when you get attacked (whether directly or not) for something you never said.

I hope this clears everything up as I'd really not like to be classified in the same group as people like Hpar_ and Liquid Memory.

[omegaRED]

1. No-one posted before me for the record, i used the term "constructed" the first time as, well, just a word...
2. Your post, Jesterzwild, did not specifically suggest that the Russians did this on purpose, and maybe because my post was short some MURCers thought someone else posted a more direct insinuation
3. However, your 1st post in the thread, IMHO, suggested that you do not exclude the possibility the Russians masterminded this incident... That seemed to me like you thought they were capable of this... Hence my reaction...

And my post wasnt really directed at you, more at people who thought that was the case here...

Anyways, i may have jumped the gun on this one, but your later post clarified this a bit...

[KvHagedorn]

Omega, are you a Russian?

[omegaRED]

No, why?

edit: I am aware of what Stalin and then KGB have done, but this isn`t the era of Stalin or KGB anymore.

[Wombat]

Yes, the KGB is still there, they just have a new acronym. Also, Russia is swinging back towards the hardliners. You have Putin, and his control of the media, and I believe that they have re-adopted the old Soviet anthem(but not the words, yeah, sure), and that the Russian army flies a red flag again.

[omegaRED]

I dont know. For the time being IMHO things are not nearly as bad as they were 15 yrs ago. I dont know what will happen in the future, but thats the way i look at the situation in Russia now.

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by omegaRED
No, why?

You just seemed to be taking criticism against Russia kind of personally.

[Admiral]

Pan Slavic thing.