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Would you elaborate ? I didn't write anything about Indian music, I even stated that their movies ruled the scene her during the 70's. I also explained about Arab music and recommended it.
Dogbert: the Nobel prize is like 100 years old? Does not say a lot in my book. Popular knowledge (which can be wrong a lot of times) has it that the Arabs were way ahead in art, science and medicine when Europe was still in the dark ages. Empires/cultures rise and fall and on the ashes of one may rise yet another someday. I'll agree that I do not know of any significant contributions to the world to science from Muslims or Arab culture (or from Jewish, Italian, Polish, Mexican, Chinese cultures) over the past 100 years.
omegaRED: AFAIK (and that won't take me 100 yards), a lot of americans are ALSO proud of their initial heritage (Irish, Italian, Afro-American, Polak etc)? If it is only about language, I'll agree swiftly. I guess this is what I think: If you migrate, you take it upon yourself to learn the language and find the best way to embed your lifestyle into the one you are migrating to. It is up to you first to ensure that no conflicts arise. This does not mean that you must change your own. It also does not mean that in the development of that culture, your own may not affect it. Here we have a feast called "Sinterklaas" which is on December 5th (kids get presents from St. Nicholas). This year, the sugarfeast(?!?, end of ramadan) fell on Dec. 5th as well. Some argued that we should hold Sinterklaas on the 6th this year because of that. I say "NO WAY". I do not mind however that Muslims celebrate their own feast on the same day as well (and take their older kids to the mosque in the morning before going to school and missing out a few hours of school).
KvH: I need to think about you. J
Umf
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Originally posted by thop Uh so now I have a problem?
At least give the quote for which you wrote this irrelevant criticism. I don't think you'll find in everything I posted anything against Indian movies or Arab music.
Originally posted by Technoid I'm not aiming at the ones that has been here for less than a year or two.
I'm aiming at the ******* who have lived here for more than 10 years and still don't speak any swedish and the third gen that speaks there grandparents homelands language better than swedish!!
I bet that if you lived in hungary for 10 years you would pick up enough to hold a simple conversation
hehe I agree totally....
James.
Mater tua criceta fuit, et pater tuo redoluit bacarum sambucus.
Originally posted by Umfriend I'll agree that I do not know of any significant contributions to the world to science from Muslims or Arab culture (or from Jewish, Italian, Polish, Mexican, Chinese cultures) over the past 100 years.
Here's a list of Jewish nobel prize winners.
Albert Einstein -- The most famous and influential scientist of all time
Richard Feynman -- 'The greatest scientific mind since World War II '
Lev Landau -- Soviet physicist, Nobel Prize in Physics 1962
Rita Levi-Montalcini -- winner of the Nobel Prize for her work on Nerve Growth factor (with Stanley Cohen)
Aaron Klug -- Nobel prize winner in Chemistry, for work on X-ray analysis of biomolecules
Elie Wiesel -- Jewish author: 'Night', winner of the Nobel Prize for Peace
Martin Perl -- Nobel prize winner in Physics: discoverer of the Tau Lepton
Isaac Bashevis Singer -- Author, Nobel Prize-winner for Literature
Niels Bohr -- Nobel prize-winning Physicist: atomic structure
Shimon Peres -- Israel's Labor party leader
Yitzhak Rabin -- Prime Minister of Israel - Worker for Peace' Chief of Staff in Six Day War
Milton Friedman -- Recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics
Arno Penzias -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, studied interstellar isotopes
Henri Bergson -- Author/Philosopher, Nobel prize for Literature
Georges Charpak -- won the Nobel Prize in Physics 1992 for his particle detector
Albert Michelson -- Nobel Prize for Physics 1907
Selman Waksman -- Microbiologist, 1952 Nobel Prize winner in physiology and medicine
Elie Metchnikoff -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, studied immunity in infectious diseases
Joseph Brodsky -- Nobel Prize winner in literature, most famous modern poet
Paul Samuelson -- Nobel Prize in Economics (first ever)
Hans Bethe -- Nobel Prize in Physics in 1967
Paul Ehrlich -- Nobel prize for descovering a treatment for syphilis.
Howard Temin -- 1975 Nobel Prize in Medicine
John Harsanyi -- Winner of the Nobel prize in Economics: studied utilitarian ethics
George WALD -- Nobel Price in Medicine for work contributing to our understanding of vision.
Isaac Bashevis Singer -- 1978 Nobel Laureate in Literature: 'Enemies : A Love Story', 'The Golem', 'Meshugah'
David Baltimore -- Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine
Shmuel Yosef Agnon -- Israeli writer, winner of the 1966 Nobel Prize: 'The Bridal Canopy'; `A Guest for the Night'
Tadeus Reichstein -- Nobel Prize for Medicine 1950
Franco Modigliani -- Italian-born economist, 1985 Nobel Laureate in Economics: saving and financial markets
Baruch Blumberg -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: field of epidemiology
Nadine Gordimer -- South African novelist, Nobel prize-winner in Literature
Herbert Simon -- Nobel prize winner in Economics: for work on decision-making
Stanley Cohen -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, for work in experimental embryology
Claude Cohen-Tannoudji -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, developed laser-cooling technology
Joshua Lederberg -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, discovered viral transduction
Daniel Nathans -- Nobel prize in Medicine: for restriction analysis of Simian Virus 40 DNA
Roald Hoffmann -- Nobel prize winner in Chemistry: field of electronic structures
Saul Bellow -- Canadian born novelist and Nobel Prize winner for lietature
Joseph Goldstein -- Nobel prize in Medicine
Simon Kuznets -- Nobel prize winner in Economics
Herbert Brown -- Nobel prize winner in Chemistry: for his work in the borane-organoborane area
Stanley Prusiner -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: for the discovery of Prions, infectious proteins
Hermann Muller -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: for work on biological effects of radiation
Paul Johann Ludwig Heyse -- Nobel prize winner in Literature, 1830-1914
Elias Canetti -- Bulgarian born essayist and novelist who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1981
Fritz Haber -- winner of the Nobel Prize of Chemistry in 1918, for the synthesis of ammonia from its elements
Murray Gell-Mann -- Nobel prize in physics 1969. Introduced 'quarks'.
Isidor Rabi -- Nobel prize in physics in 1944
Andrew Schally -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: field of endocrinology
Nelly Sachs -- Poet, winner of the Nobel prize in Literature
Bernard Katz -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, studied neuromuscular transmission
Reinhard Selten -- Nobel prize winner in Economics: for work on 'game equilibrium models'
Douglas Osheroff -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, for work in superfluidity
Jack Steinberger -- Particle Physicist, winner of the Nobel Prize
David Lee -- Nobel prize winner in Physics: for work on superfluidity
Harold Kroto -- Nobel prize-winner in Chemistry, discoverer of C60
Leon Lederman -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, 1988
Jack Steinberger -- Nobel Prize winner in Physics, 1988
Cesar Milstein -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: field of immunology
Even though there are less than 20 million Jews worldwide, 20% of all Nobel prizes were given to Jews...
I`m not saying that they shouldnt be allowed to influence and change the society in any way, i`m talking about immigrants ENFORCING some beliefs, laws, rules and norms... because its how it was in their former country.
The language problem is the most apparent one. And whats worse, its not the INABILITY to learn the language, its the UNWILINGNESS thats the problem.
Seth, are you ok? I`m peachy Kate. The world is my oyster. - Seth Gecko
Dogbert, congratulations. I think a lot of them were born and lived in Europe and the US. So either they have learned a lot from the christian surroundings, or they have contributed to the esteem of Europe and the US. In both cases, clear examples of where integration and cross fertilisation (you could know what I mean) gets ppl. Also, their background comes from well developed countries, or at least richer countries than Muslim countries were, say 100 years ago. They'll need time to catch up, and if they directed them petro dollats to goo ends, it might not be that long. Indians will be faster methinks, maybe chinese as well.
The last "Jewish" contribution to math, AFAIK, is the estimation of PI at 3...
Umf
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Originally posted by Dogbert Here's a list of Jewish nobel prize winners.
Even though there are less than 20 million Jews worldwide, 20% of all Nobel prizes were given to Jews...
And what are you saying, that the jews are more intelligent than some other people, or that because of a good financial status the jews could/can afford a decent education, thereby giving the people the opportunity to achieve a goal.
Or was it just a brag list!!!!???
James
Mater tua criceta fuit, et pater tuo redoluit bacarum sambucus.
Are you sure of that? Alot of Jews aren't recognised...
Until they get a Nobel prize? (j/k)
omegaRED: I'll agree with the ENFORCING bit easily. Think it comes from where you are that you encounter that. Don't think we have that here though. Re.: the UNWILLINGNESS, I say: "no mercy"
Umf
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BOASTING MODE
As a brief sidenote, I thought Joel would shut this thread down after all that racist and moron calling. Pleased to see that I've been essential in pacifying this thread. I think it will now stay open, won't it?
/BOASTING MODE
Hurray for all of mixed blood
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