SWIII Spoiler & Conversation thread

[Lizzard[MPE]]

also The Wrath of Khan was a great movie.

[schmosef]

Ok after consulting with other star wars fans...

She was talking about Anakin... Obi-wan never told her that he killed Anakin. The reason she could not live on was because Anakin was following the Darkside and that was a path she could not follow him down. She still believed Anakin still had good in him though also believing he was still alive.. which he actually was.

Didn't she ask Obi-Wan about Anakin in a slightly earlier scene and didn't he respond by gently touching her face? She knew why Obi-Wan was there. What other conclusion was she supposed to draw? Obi-Wan was alive, so Anakin had to be... what? Alive too? I don't think so.

I agree that she died because she couldn't live with her Anni... Tear.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

i dont remember. I'd really love to have this on my computer so i can watch it again. i dont have time to go see it at the theatre right now. i want to seeeeee it againnnnnnnn

[schmosef]

Apparently the entire galaxy throws a huge party and then collapses into economic chaos when nobody shows up for work the day after 'cause they're all hungover.

Maybe I have one of those brain lesions but I'm not entirely sure if you're kidding or partially serious. I'd expect there to be a lot of disorder after the Emperor was killed. Look what happened to the national museum in Iraq after Saddam was toppled. Imagine that on a galactic scale!

[Lizzard[MPE]]

PADME: Obi-Wan? Is Anakin all right?
OBI-WAN looks at her sadly and does not answer. He brushes her hair back. Padme drops back into unconsciousness. ARTOO watches over her.
OBI-WAN rides in the co-pilot's station. He sits looking pensive. THREEPIO drives.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

he never answered, i remember that now. But she fell so fast back into unconsciousness i dont think she got an answer either way.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

-what did Yoda say to Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon-Jin?

YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is ...

QUI -GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

YODA: . . . to become one with the Force, and influence still have . . . A power greater than all, it is.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.

YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.

YODA thinks about this for a minute, then BAIL ORGANA enters the room and breaks his meditation.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

-Doesn't it seem dumb that Obi-Wan didn't ensure that Vader was dead at the end? Wouldn't he have felt a shift in the force when Vader actually died? Seems like Obi-Wan was short sighted in that respect.

OBI-WAN: It's over, Anakin. I have the high ground.

ANAKIN: You underestimate my power!

OBI-WAN: Don't try it.

ANAKIN follows, and OBI-WAN cuts his young apprentice at the knees, then cuts off his left arm in the blink of an eye. ANAKIN tumbles down the embankment and rolls to a stop near the edge of the lava.

ANAKIN struggles to pull himself up the embankment with his mechanical hand. His thin leather glove has been burned off. He keeps sliding down in the black sand.

OBI-WAN: (continuing) . . . You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would, destroy the Sith, not join them. It was you who would bring balance to the Force, not leave it in Darkness.

OBI-WAN picks up Anakin's light saber and begins to walk away. He stops and looks back.

ANAKIN: I hate you!

OBI-WAN: You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.

ANAKIN'S clothing blows into the lava river and ignites. Suddenly ANAKIN bursts into flames and starts SCREAMING.

OBI-WAN looks in horror as ANAKIN becomes engulfed in flames. OBI-WAN can't watch him as he struggles to climb the embankment, covered in flames.

He runs back to Padme's ship as ANAKIN drops, smoldering, near the top of the lava pit.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

obi-wan was just really upset i think to watch his 'brother' die like that.

[schmosef]

i dont remember. I'd really love to have this on my computer so i can watch it again. i dont have time to go see it at the theatre right now. i want to seeeeee it againnnnnnnn

We'll I have it on my computer. Hold on, lemme go back to that scene...

Yep, Obi-Wan walk away from a burning Anakin. He gets back to Padme's ship and C3P0 tells him that Padme is on board and he should hurry because "they should leave this dreadful place". The next scene has Obi-Wan touching Padme on the shoulder as she convalesces. This rouses her from sleeping and she asks "Obi-Wan, is Anakin all right". Obi-Wan doesn't speek but his hand moves from her shoulder to caresses her cheek. She falls back asleep and Obi-Wan walks away, seemingly to the cockpit where he's seen next piloting the ship away.

What would you assume Anakin's fate to be?

I still say that my alternate hypothesis is possible.

[schmosef]

YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is ...

QUI -GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

YODA: . . . to become one with the Force, and influence still have . . . A power greater than all, it is.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.

YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.

YODA thinks about this for a minute, then BAIL ORGANA enters the room and breaks his meditation.

Was this in the movie because it wasn't in the Work Print version that I have? I read somewhere online that such a scene was planned but that Lucas couldn't get Liam Neeson to reprise the role.

[Jon P. Inghram]

but I'm not entirely sure if you're kidding or partially serious

Well, it does look that way at the new "revised" ending of Return of the Jedi at least.

As far as the Revenge and Return title issue, I can't be bothered to check the DVD so I'll assume Lizz is right.

[schmosef]

obi-wan was just really upset i think to watch his 'brother' die like that.

He should have used the Force to push him in the Lava. It could have been deemed a merciful act; to end his life quickly. But then of course we wouldn't have episodes 4-6. And without episodes 4-6, there wouldn't have been episodes 1-3. It's kind of a time paradox. Freaky!

Actually speaking of using the Force. All the Star Wars video games, including the movie adaptations, include many "Force Powers" that they never use in the movies. I was disappointed by that. Palpatine used Force lightning, and the others used Force push and Force pull. But none of the more elaborate ones that are in the games. The Jedi, especially Anakin, keep talking about how strong their powers are. It would have been cool if Lucas worked in a better demonstration.

[schmosef]

he never answered, i remember that now. But she fell so fast back into unconsciousness i dont think she got an answer either way.

Just seeing Obi-Wan alive was all the answer she would need.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying that it's possible. Also, the stuff about Qui-Gon telling Yoda that there'll be another chance... that just reinforces my hypothesis.

[schmosef]

I copied this from another site:

I mean basically his motivation to become a child-murdering uber-villain goes something like this:

Palpatine: You know how you think that Padme might possibly die in childbirth, well if you become uber-villainous and immersed in the dark side you might possibly be able to bring her back from her possible death. And you can be sure to trust me, because I totally have been honest and truthful with everyone over these past years by killing millions in a war I concocted to make a mad power grab. Its like the old saying, "If you can't trust a Evil-Lying-Murderous Dictator wannabe, who can you trust?"

Anikan: *pause* Well, I don't know . . .

Palpatine: Oh come on, turn to the dark side . . . I'll be your friend.

Anikan: Ok, but if you're wrong, you owe me a coke.