Don't you love Jesus?

[Nowhere]

Let's not get started on Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

Mark me, no good will come of this.

Kevin

Yeah, not starting it really, after all ""

[Claymonkey]

Let's not get started on Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

Mark me, no good will come of this.

Kevin

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I don't know WHAT you're talking about

[Nowhere]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22creator+of+the+universe%22&btnG=Google+Search

hmm...it must be true after all


PS. Claymonkey, where your pixelart avatar can be found in its original size?

[Jon P. Inghram]

Actually, thinking about it some more I'd say I lean more towards Weak agnosticism/Deism.

Or possibly Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, but living in Kansas that probably isn't a good thing to say.

[KRSESQ]

The thing with Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is that it's a fairly amusing joke right now, but sure as hell sooner or later some moron is going to dress up in a pirate suit and start preaching on a street corner and sure as hell he's going to gather a following and pretty soon it will be a full-blown cult complete with "true believers" and eventually it will turn into an honest-to-God religion and they'll all move to Utah and begin spreading the word to all the rest of us unwashed heathens and lord help us if we don't accept the doctrine of FSM.

That's kind of how Scientology got started.

Kevin

[Claymonkey]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

hmm...it must be true after all


PS. Claymonkey, where your pixelart avatar can be found in its original size?

http://www.dieselsweeties.com/news/ scroll down a bit. It was done by the web cartoonist that does diesel sweeties. Sometime funny, often 'eh'.

and for those that need a good intro the the FSM you can go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

[Nowhere]

KRSESQ, you somehow make a very good point to this doscusion.
I mean, can we rule out that only Scientology, etc. was started that way? But...I'll better stop here, I'm drifting in the direction of which you warned.

[Umfriend]

@ Umf:

Sorry. I was obviously mistaken.

So, why are we discussing this again?

Kevin

Did not mean to come across harshly, if I did, sorry.

I just got involved as I am a bull and, well, when one claims that he/she believes based on logic, it's one of my red waving piececloths...

[Gurm]

KRSESQ:

No, that's kind of how MORMONISM got started. Scientology got started because L. Ron Hubbard didn't want to pay his taxes.

[KRSESQ]

No prob.

I guess I've been going through a little bit of a crisis of faith myself. One of my biggest (albeit irrational) fears is that I'll be on my deathbed and feel myself slipping away and in my last moment of consciousness realize that this is all there is and there ain't no more and when the lights go out that's it. To me that's probably worse than any eternal punishment God or Satan could contrive for me.

Of course, we all create Hell in our own image.

Kevin

[Jammrock]

No, that's kind of how MORMONISM got started...

*sigh* ... and we had kept this thread civil for so long

At least Mormonism wasn't started by a guy who got drunk, hiked a mountain, talked to a bush and claimed it was God

[SpiralDragon]

Yes, please. Who else observed Kosher and other Jewish practices at the same time that the Jews were in the wilderness (circa 2000B.C.)?

c. 2000 BC... not entierly sure... but muslims have similar observations.... and they have had them since around the time islam was created.... some might argue that they took those off the jews and modfied them... and i most certaily would agree... but there are so many factors to consider befor even saying that these ideas are commone to the jews alone even c. 2000 BC

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@ Schmo...

as for my erlier point... i made it... you missed it... it doesnt matter any more.....

however feel free to reread what i posted carfully and follow that link i added somewhere... that way you can pice my point to gether... its very simpl realy... youd probably say its idealistic... but thats beacuse your not looking at it from my perspective..... no mater..

[SpiralDragon]

on the issue of hygiene

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

[schmosef]

c. 2000 BC... not entierly sure... but muslims have similar observations.... and they have had them since around the time islam was created.... some might argue that they took those off the jews and modfied them... and i most certaily would agree... but there are so many factors to consider befor even saying that these ideas are commone to the jews alone even c. 2000 BC

Kosher laws predate Halal but almost 2000 years. In fact, the Koran defines Halal by explaining how it is similar and how it is different to Kosher laws.

The point I made was that Umf had said that there wasn't anything in Kosher law that could not have been figured out by mankind through observation. My response was that if that were true, why did no one else figure out those laws.

I'm not denying that others may have learned from the Jews and later adopted similar rules for their food, I'm saying that at the time the Kosher laws were handed down, no one else was doing them.

[Nowhere]

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I'm not denying that others may have learned from the Jews and later adopted similar rules for their food, I'm saying that at the time the Kosher laws were handed down, no one else was doing them.

You don't know that really, we have too little records from that times. "Jews were the only ones doing it" is favoured by the fact that they were mostly the only ones practicizing written world to such extent.