And another War ....

[omegaRED]

Damn ! Things are getting real ugly here. Just as we kicked those Terrorists out of Tanusevci, they attacked a major city in the Western part, called Tetovo. The population there is mostly ethnic Albanian, and they were protesting against "The terror of the Macedonian Army" and the "Discrimation of the ethnic Albanians". And just as the Protest started, the attacks begun. And those protesting People cheered as the fighting went on.

BTW, the "offical" statement of the NLA ( thats how they call themselves ), is that they fight against repression and for equality. According to them, Albanians should not be considered as a minority, we should change the Constitution to make a Federation ( which then gives them the opportunity to daclare Independance ), and form 3 ethnically CLEAN States, Albania, Kosovo and part of Macedonia, which is their life-long dream, a Great Albania.

I`m really curious what the response from the West will be, US Ambassodor here, Mr. Mike Ainik, said we are a sovereign state and we have every right to defend ourselves using any means we seem fit, but did not offer any help ( Equipment, Manpower or Logistic ) from the US or NATO. But that is understandable, considering that could be interpreted as a admission that they made a mistake in Kosovo, and that they cant control the hot-headed Albanians, part of the former UCK.

It`s really sickening to hear people are killing each others just 40km`s away, and u can`t do a thing. Hell, if it wasnt for my eye-problems, i`d go and volunteer to serve there. But the Army would never give me a gun.

I`ll tell you one thing though. After this, whatever happens, an all out War or some Guerilla attacks, there are only 2 things which will emerge out:

1). An ethnically clean Macedonia ( NO Albanians )
2). An ethnically clean Macedonia ( no Macedonians )

Because i sure as hell wont live in the same country with some Albanian, who will wait for an opportunity to stab me in the back.

BTW, they just threatened that they would burn down Macedonia if they didnt get their demands fullfilled.


[This message has been edited by omegaRED (edited 16 March 2001).]

[Joel]

I know that this is probably very upsetting and very personal to you but insulting others in this forum because of their ethnic background is against forum policy.

If I was to make statements about blacks the way you are making them about the Albanians then people around here would want my head and demand that the statement be deleted or locked. At this time I will do neither, because I can understand the frame of mind you might be in at this time, but if the insults continue then I will.

Joel

[omegaRED]

Thank u for having understanding. I realise how this seems highly racial, but i`ll keep the insults off here. BTW, they were mostly pointed at the Albanians who supported ist actions or are part of their "Liberation Army".

Again, sorry for the insults, i`ll edit the post and delete them.

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[omegaRED]

k Joel, no more insults

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[The PIT]

This has finally made our news in the last few days. I see the NLA have offered a ceasefire. Hopefully this will be end of it and no more bloodshed will occur and wounds will be able to heal.

[omegaRED]

Slim chances of that happening in the near future. At the same time NLA offered a cease-fire, another Policeman was shot in a drive-by shooting. 3 of them were doing some routine Patrol here, in Skopje, not Tetovo, when a car drove by, and they shot them. The other 2 are wounded, nothing serios, but the 3rd one wasnt that lucky.

BTW, they`ve offered cease-fire in order to negotiate. Their demands are:

1. The Albanians shouldnt be treated as a minority
2. Equality with us ( the Slavs )
3. The Albanian language to be recognized as an official language
4. A federetion ( western Macedonia-Albanian, Eastern-Macedonian )
5. A possibility to declare indepence ( Western Macedonia )

As you see, none of these are acceptable. So even if this ends soon ( the Fighting i mean ), the 2 Albanian Political Parties support the Terrorists ( they officially dont, but is quite clear that they do ), meaning they demand the same things. I dont know how the UK would react if say, the French would demand a part of England ( UK ), which never belonged to them, just because they are some 20% of the populace. And that all of you must learn French, which would be the second Official lang. along with the English. And when you refuse, they begin arming themselves and threaten with Civil War unless their demands are fullfilled ( with support from Kosovo in this case ). And they claim they arent Terrorists, they are "Freedom Fighters". Bull!

I really regret saying this, but there will probably be a Civil War here. But if that happens, i doubt that there will be any Albanians living here after it. No minority, in any country in the World, has the rights they have. And that isnt enough.

They are trying to make it look like the are the victims here, there are rumours that they are dressing their dead soldiers in civilian clothes, to make it look like the Army is killing civilians. They are hoping to get support from the West, by making us the Repressors, like Milosevic was. There are rumours that something is gonna happen in Monte Negro too.

But they are acting really stupid. In Kosovo, the Serbs were the bad guys. Here, the Macedonians are, in MonteNegro, the MonteNegrians will be, and THEY are always the victims.

The truth is, they never got over the idea for a Great Albania. It`s still in their minds. They are willing to do anything it takes to get it. Even start Wars.

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[Joel]

Maybe they (the Albanians) would not be so prone to want a piece of the pie (independent state) if y'all (the slavs) would at least honor the first two demands. Is Equality asking too much? You say they have more rights than any other minority in the world, but the question is do they have the same rights as the slavs?

Joel

[omegaRED]

Good point.

Are all Americans equal? Yes they are.

Do they all consider themselves Americans? Yes they do.

Do ALL Americans know Chinese, Spanish, German, Italian etc.? No.

Do the Albanians here consider themselves Macedonians of ethnic Albanian origin? No they dont. They consider themselves ALBANIANS living in a foreign country. Not just here. In Kosovo too. In Bosnia too. In Serbia too.

They cant consider themselves a part of a Nation of other ethnic background IF they dont have all they want. Their language as an official language, practical independence from the State/Government in the Towns/Villages/Regions where they are a majority of the populace and so on.

You see, their vision of equality would be the use of their native Albanian language everywhere. Now, since that`s not possible, they will strive for Independence. Besides, they ARE equal to us. They have the same rights we all have. They have prolly more rights than any Minority here or anywhere. Nobody forbids them to use their language. Nobody harrasses them. They have stores ( though most of them dont pay taxes, but then again so do many Slav Macedonians too ), they have schools where they are taught in Albanian, a University is opening soon in Tetovo where there classes will be purely in Albanian. But now, they decided that dont want to learn to speak Macedonian, it would be better for US to learn Albanian. In our own country.

Their "deserved" rights are no more than stepping stones to getting an Independent State, which then leads to a Great Albania. The Political leaders both in Albania and of the 2 Parties here openly pronounced their Dream:

ALL ALBANIANS IN ONE COUNTRY!

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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[alessandro]

OmegaRed,

Do you know how many Albanians live illegally in my country ....900,000+.
Are we the next victim of the Albanians?

[RusCoder]

omegaRed, I simpathize with you and all Macedonians...

In this country we've been dealing with such "fighters for liberation" aka terrorists for about a decade. I'm afraid power that's the only thing they can appreciate.

Still don't give in.

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Merely this and nothing more

[bongo]

Ultimately The US is completely responsible for this mess in Macedonia.

If they did not stick their nose in the Serbian extermination of KLA terroriists in Kosovo; everything would be fine now. And before you start whining about the "genocide" of the Albanians in Kosovo...that is a complete fabrication by US media. Whenever you have a warzone in your neighbourhood the natural reaction is to leave. That is why you get refugees.

But the bottom line is this; US foreign policy under Clinton had many agendas that were often self-serving and manipulated to deflect against Bill's domestic troubles. An impeachment can be a real drag, eh Bill.

At best, the Yugoslav situation with Kosovo was a European problem. The Europeans needed to deal with. Americans had no business to be there, and as per usual their involvement totally screwed things up.

Now the KLA terrorists are completely emboldened to use whatever means to achieve their goals; and Macedonia is their goal.

Thanks America, thanks.

(ironically Yugoslavs saved US flyers asses during WWII by the hundreds; great payback eh)

[omegaRED]

Alessandro, i wouldnt be surprised if in the near future the Albanians would demand more rights etc. etc. But i suppose that in Greece the situation wouldnt be the same as here or in Kosovo. Greece is a strong Country, part of NATO and EU, and even if something like this happened there, NATO would surely annihilate them, instead of supporting them or just standing aside watching the fighting. Bottom line, i dont expect anything similar happening in Greece, but i guess you could expect some demonstrations and protests.

Thanks for the support, RusCoder. I know Russia has trouble with "Freedom fighters", and i wasnt surprised that Russia gave us full support during this crisis.

I wouldnt say the US is ultimately responsible. It did encourage them in Kosovo. If they got no support, then this wouldnt be happening. The US probably doesnt support the idea for Great Albania, but knowingly or unknowingly, they encouraged them during the war in Kosovo. They still think that the US and the West in general sees them as victims. They still think they can get support from the West in their "Righteous Fight for Freedom and Equality".

Judging from the Media and official statements, that`s no longer the case. However, they are willing to do whatever it takes to gain back that support. Even making it look like the Army is performing an Ethnic Clensing. And making mass graves.


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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.

[bongo]

Omega: to discover whether the US was ultimately responsible all you need to do is ask this simple question.

Would the bombing of Yugoslavia (and accordingly the strenghtening of KLA terrorists) occurred if the United States maintaind a hands-off policy to this European issue?

Also, the following is a good source of news from the homeland:

http://www.b92.net/index.phtml

adios you makh-eh-donutz; try not to get shot or anything.

bongo iz subotica (a li nisam tamo vise LOL)

[alessandro]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by omegaRED:
Alessandro, i wouldnt be surprised if in the near future the Albanians would demand more rights etc. etc. But i suppose that in Greece the situation wouldnt be the same as here or in Kosovo. Greece is a strong Country, part of NATO and EU, and even if something like this happened there, NATO would surely annihilate them, instead of supporting them or just standing aside watching the fighting. Bottom line, i dont expect anything similar happening in Greece, but i guess you could expect some demonstrations and protests.
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We don't need Nato support for this .We have the stongest army in the region(including Turkey).
By the way,I hope your problems finish soon, Omegared.

[omegaRED]

Bongo, nisam znao da si sa Balkana. Nego, zaboravio sam, Subotica je u Srbiji, jeli? Kad si otisao tamo?

Alessamdro, didnt know that. I figured Turkey had the most powerfull army on this Region. You are right, thats what i said, but my point was that NATO would stay aside, considering you would be able to solve that problem. In this case, we dont ask NATO to help us here, but to do its job in Kosovo.



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Seth, are you ok ?
I`m peachy, Kate. The world is my oyster.